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Eric Borg's avatar

Alright Matti, you’ve convinced me. The moral “oughts” that we feel are based upon “is”. Apparently Searle was right that our language naturally sets up our notions of oughts from is, and Kovesi too. I should have known this all along given my observation that “is is all there is”. Thus if there are any oughts (and we clearly do feel them), then they can only come from is. I was imagining that my own heuristic was going further than Hume’s, though it was actually refuting his!

One related question is, what would happen if Hume’s heuristic were generally dismissed in academia? Would or should ethics begin to be explored empirically? I have radical thoughts on this but should ask what you think?

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

That special human ability: fiction and invention. (Art is such a wonderful consequence of those.) As you point, intimately linked with language. Yet while some animals have some language, they lack fiction — hence our world-altering power.

I like what I've read of Searle. (His "sea of status functions" … is he the one who also talks about the importance of implicit "background knowledge" in thought and language? That sea sounds like the same thing.) Kovesi is new to me.

Your analysis seems a useful platform for evaluating the current sociopolitical climate. Being a "liar" seems to have lost some of its stigma. Perhaps similar to "adulterer". These, as you say, are objective, intentional acts but with moral weight based on cultural norms. What's disturbing to me is the apparent drift from long-established norms — typically in reducing that moral weight. Weirdly, in both ways. We devalue the negative weight of lying or cheating and the positive weight of good acts (in disdaining those who do them as "suckers"). We've also devalued shame (which seems a shame). There's a strong ethic now of "don't judge me!"

When contrasted with the norms expressed in the consensus of human history — back at least to the Code of Hammurabi — the current sociopolitical climate seems especially transgressive. Modern times got some 'splaining to do to history.

I agree with your notion of public philosophy. To have value, philosophy (or religion) has to be fully accessible to ordinary people.

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