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Mike Smith's avatar

“We should be reluctant to set the bar for objective truth in ethics any higher than the bar we set for objective truth in science.“

The problem is that if we hold it to the same epistemic standards of science, nothing in ethics seems to be reliable knowledge. For example, what experiment or observations can we make to establish whether safety or freedom are more important? Or where the correct compromise lies between them? Or what objective criteria we can use to test whether gender roles in our society should be strict or flexible?

That isn’t to say we can’t do science to establish what might be the best conditions for particular outcomes, that is, for particular values. But we bring those values in with us. Science can’t establish or refute them, except in relation to yet more values.

Which I think just a recap of the problem Hume identified.

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

Cheering you on, here. I have a sense from previous discussions that we have some similar views on these matters. It’s nice to see you expanding on them long-form!

Some random thoughts your post inspired…

Skepticism, yes. Along with a mechanistic view of reality as clock-like. And, in contrast to God's will or fate, the idea that we could understand the clock. As you’re writing about, it didn’t take long for us to find a few things maddeningly ineffable: math, morality, consciousness, particles, etc.

I like the contrast between how science is contingent and convergent whereas ethics/morality is viewed as having to be either perfect or relative. I quite agree the former seems a workable model. That model — evolving based on real world feedback — is how our brains learn to be minds.

Your thesis here reminds me of something I’ve often said about topics like climate change or vaccines: Not being able to understand all of it doesn’t mean we can’t understand some of it.

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